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Post by gooner on Jun 14, 2012 15:39:41 GMT
The one common theme from this thread already is that everyone cares about the club and the game. People care from the position of their involvement The senior people see things from their position and youth from their position which is only natural and a point each must consider. If and its a big IF everyone was to take on board what the other party is saying and not always take it as a personal slur on their efforts and committment to the club this position would never have happened im sure. Make no mistake from what i am reading here there is flaws on both sides with peoples expectations of what eachother contributes to the club. When you work as hard as everyone does the last thing you want is being told your efforts are not what is expected. The youths obviously had an expectation from the senior club that was not being met. The seniors obviously have an expectation of the youths contribution to the club that they feel was not being met and there is the problem in a nutshell. The thing is these problems should not have been allowed fester and would not have if people had spoken openly in the first place. The first team is what gives the club its standing but the youth sides should be proud to be part of that club and the club should be proud to have youth sides representing them. The first team match programme should be a club programme with content from all youth sides and this website and forum would be healthier with managers reports and upcoming fixtures. I dont believe the game is dieing at this level kids still love sport take a look at what Mildenhall Cricket club has achieved with its youth sides. MTFC could take a lead from them on how both seniors and youth can work together within a club.
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Post by kopite on Jun 14, 2012 16:01:19 GMT
Give that man a medal that is so true so much sense. perhaps your the man to take things on further. I just hope people arent slated for what they are trying to do. like you said it's not come out of the blue problems have been around for years. Valid point about programme, website etc could contain more about Youth. Looking through the forum if any Youth posts they get very few responses so perhaps why they dont post so much.
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Post by shehens on Jun 14, 2012 18:12:28 GMT
Following my attendance at the youth break away meeting on Tues, I am shocked at such action. It is perceived that MTFC do nothing for the Youth section. What do the Youth Section want? Approx 15 years ago Reg Barker and myself took over the running of the youth section and were determined to find this out. 1 They ( Managers/Parents) wanted their own bank account so that every penny they raised was used for their team. Committee agreed to this . 2 They all wanted to play on the MTFC pitch - this could never happen. Instead we introduced Challenge Cup Day so that all lads could experience playing on the pitch for that one special day with older teams using the pitch for their home games. 3 They all wanted free admission to MTFC games - Committee agreed and all registered players were given membership cards. Managers were also allowed free entry to first team home games. 4 They wanted to use the clubhouse free for end of season functions and kitchen for match days- committee agreed - I even did the bar at times. 5 We introduced match mascots for first team games, ball boys and prematch friendlies for the younger teams so that they all felt part of MTFC. 6 This is not to mention being part of a charter standard club with a committee both on youth and at Main Club who did and still do everything voluntarily- alot of hard work!
Was this not enough?
Rob Redman says that to break away will be better. How Rob? By all playing at Riverside you say! - thats funny - you all gripe about not being able to play at the Town ground! By having all your own money? You have always enjoyed this anyway. It will still be the same football with the same managers and with the same politics . Shame on you Rob Redman and your followers for breaking up the MTFC youth section that myself and many others have worked hard for and enjoyed being part of over many years.
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Post by ryan on Jun 14, 2012 19:00:34 GMT
Firstly i would like to ask how the youth section expects us THE MAIN CLUB to fund to fund it when we struggle to fund ourselves each year? Secondly the fireworks night WAS NOT Rob Redmans idea it was mine he did however volenteer the youth section to do every job at it but it was always clear that all funds were for the development fund and if anyone thinks differently please feel free to come and see me at the bar any friday night. I personally am quite looking foward to seeing a youth section put together with nothing to aim for ( i.e no adult semi pro team to try and get in once 16+) Before people come on here voicing an opinion please get all your fact right cause u just look like a total kn*bhead otherwise if anyone wants to know the in and outs of anything the main commitee are always willing to give true answers
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Post by gatherbyhens on Jun 14, 2012 19:18:20 GMT
Kopite, is it not obvious that people are bad mouthing the club, it happened at the "break away" meeting for starters. No-one has yet to give a valid reason as to why they have decided to take the youth section away from the club, what more the club as a whole could have done for them, and what will now be different.
I'm sorry but these people should be slated for what they are doing, it makes a mockery of the club, and even more so a mockery of the hours and hours of hard work people like shehens put in to try and make it work.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is an open forum, where are all the posts from the managers/parents about their teams.? Brad is the only one that posts and I read them with interest. The posts about the first team are hardly buzzing with comments!
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Post by kopite on Jun 14, 2012 20:08:16 GMT
Ok Guy's you all had your rants at ME feel free to continue if like, all i have tried to say is what I have experienced. I won't reply anymore as my comments are obviously not valid on this open forum. I will say the Youth never expects to be funded by the main club and I would love to be shown any evidence that they expect this? Yes Brad does Post and I think Steve Ryan is a manager he posts but as for parents I really couldn't tell you. Thanks for reading my comments even if you don't agree, also thanks the Gooner who did seem to agree with some views.
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Post by ryan on Jun 14, 2012 20:21:56 GMT
Bye!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by thefriar on Jun 14, 2012 20:49:59 GMT
It is interesting that there is no comment on here from the group of people who have instigated this. I have spoken to the parents of some of the youngsters and they feel that they were left with no options because of the timing of this pre arranged action. How about some respect for the kids and their parents?
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Post by robyouth on Jun 14, 2012 22:14:19 GMT
I want to make it clear the reason I resigned as Chairman for the Youth is purely because of the £24 I was asked for from the youth challenge Cup day which was given to to us by the ice-cream van having already made it clear two weeks prior that all monies raised on the day (except of course the bar takings) was for the youth section. in regards to the firework night and sponsored walk I suggest people ask to see the minutes of meetings. I have been informed there is a lot of comments on the forum relating to me but I am not going to be dragged into it all, I am happy for anyone to come and speak to me and saddened to know that all the work I have done in the past has so quickly been forgotten. Lastly when I told the managers of my decision to resign I informed them I would support anyone who wanted to take on the position, I then left the meeting for them to make their own decisions.
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Post by gooner on Jun 15, 2012 7:24:47 GMT
It seems very silly to resign over £24 and a principle if your love of the club is so strong. Just because you are not getting your own way on one issue is no reason to walk away. Many things are discussed at committee level and always certain ideas get rejected after discussion but people dont walk because of it. Anyone that has an idea bring it to the table because they have a belief that it would be good for the cause but it does not mean it will always be adopted or all your ideas are good ones either. Principle often is a word for an excuse to get out. I have to say Rob your £24 principle has hurt the senior club but more important the kids. Yes they will still play football and still have to raise their own funds (as before) but they will no longer be part of the bigger picture MTFC. Of course you are now elevated to a position of being head of the empire you have created for yourself but it is something much smaller than you may like to thing it is. Everything you have is only what you had before but on a smaller scale. Obviously the fact is that the senoir club could have worked closer with the youth and embraced them more but people all work part time and give their time free. Faults are there from both sides but nothing that could not have been sorted out if the ego was lost and the attitude of my way or no way.Kopite you have your say on here its your right to your opinion and you express it as this is only my opinion and on many things i may well be way off the mark thats what discussion is for. The more you hear the more you modify your opinions.
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Post by flyonthewall on Jun 15, 2012 8:03:13 GMT
any parents of youth section players out there who may be reading this forum need to know that in the past year Rob Redman only ever raised 2 issues at the main committee meetings. One was a disciplinary issue for which he needed representation& support from club officials at a county FA hearing - something that will not be available to any new team. Second was the issue of training/playing at Rec Way - this was agreed with certain conditions early in the season yet at every subsequent meeting it was raised again and again like a broken record. The issue of the £24 would never have arisen if Rob had not been so greedy. Had he allowed the club to properly account for the money under its arrangement with the ice cream vendor there would have been no issue - as it is the vendor has been left worrying that she has paid the wrong person. This breakaway was pre-meditated and the most important people in the whole situation, the players and there parents, have been presented with a one choice ballot paper. We are not a Banana Republic - we are a community Football Club!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by exyouthtown on Jun 15, 2012 10:10:50 GMT
Don't take this as a surprise, mildenhall town youth has been going downhill for years. As a member of Mick Kings former youth side who had a bunch of players who could have easily played for the first team but wasn't even considered, I can safely say this was always going to happen. How many youth players play for the first team now? The kids are looking to break into that first team but mildenhall have always brought in players from different areas. There was great talent in the youth around me, people getting trials for Ipswich, Norwich, Cambridge, Suffolk but not a single player was considered. Mildenhall will only miss its youth because of the money it brought in for the club. If you considered some of us players who loved to play on that pitch and wore that shirt with pride maybe now you wouldn't be in this predicament. We loved match days and being mascots thinking maybe one day we would wear the shirt but in all honesty it was never going to happen. Untill mildenhall town look to there youth and consider them for a first team place you will not have a youth team. This has been coming for years, parents of all youth teams have been looking at the first team thinking where is he from? Where's the youth players? Obviously the big people at mildenhall town didn't know this because things are always twisting and turning. I'm glad the youth has broke away. I wish Mildenhall Town well but just consider youth players in the future. Gareth Isaacson.
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Post by gatherbyhens on Jun 15, 2012 12:46:43 GMT
Gareth, these players that you feel were good enough for the first team, where are they now? I presume these players are now playing at ridgeons league level somewhere else??
In truth under previous regimes, youth team players may not have been getting a fair crack of the whip. Under Christian Appleford this is a new era at MTFC, and one which will look at youth. The academy (although it didn't work out) is a prime example of this. As BUFF said, the first team will always be picked on merit, and I have no doubt that CA will give youth players a chance IF THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH.
"Mildenhall will only miss its youth because of the money it brought in for the club" What money is this?? They had their own bank account.
"some of us players....loved to play on that pitch and wore that shirt with pride" and "We loved match days and being mascots thinking maybe one day we would wear the shirt" So you think it is right to take this away from the kids? Are you still glad the youth has been taken away?
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Post by flyonthewall on Jun 15, 2012 14:50:54 GMT
Ah Gareth are these the same players who deserted the Reserves because they did not like to sit on the bench, did not like to play in away fixtures or to turn up to training. How many of those who got trials( probably just a coaching session) actually pulled on a shirt for the clubs you mentioned? Coops is the only one i can think of and he has remained loyal to his home town club.
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Post by gooner on Jun 15, 2012 15:48:06 GMT
Gareth there is a big difference between youths ie under 9's 11's 13's 14's 15's and 16's and senior football. Even at under 9's there will be selection problems for the managers with boys wanting to play but who the manager feels is not good enough to be selected. This is a life skill football equips you with the ability to take rejection. All footballers have a quality where by they feel they are better than they are as well. One day perhaps you will enter into management and discover that the successful manager is the one that gets a team playing to the players limitations. Is it possible that the reason you did not progress to the first team is that you was not good enough or the manager felt that someone else was better than you in that position even though they had not played for the youth sides. Thats not to say you wont make that standard in the future and as long as you are enjoying your football what does it matter that its not at mildenhall. Very few Manchester lads are playing at City or United but the lads that have come through the youth sides at these clubs still enjoy a living from the game at other clubs and at a lower level its the same here. Still no reason not to have youth teams and as stated some players have progressed within the club at mildenhall. Thats not a case of the club letting down the youth players its a case of them getting a good grounding in the game and the platform to develope their skills whilest most importantly enjoying the game. If some of the past youth players had of stuck together with the reserves and they are as good as suggested ie first team standard then they would have walked the reserve leagues instead of not turning up for games and getting fines for the club.That is old news it is not what this thread is about so end of. The club has not let down the youth by not giving players a chance as implied its more about players needing to meet the challenge and achieving the required standard. This is not the reason the youth left the club.
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